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[CF-metadata] PMIP (including 1 or more that originated in C4MIP) Standard Names: Carbon and Nitrogen terms

From: Jonathan Gregory <j.m.gregory>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:28:48 +0100

Dear Martin

Yes, I see what you mean, but nonetheless it seems odd to me. Is it normal
to express GPP as mass of 13C? For example, this would be like expressing
anthropogenic CO2 emissions as 13C. If 13C is about 1% of all the C in fossil
fuels (I don't know what % it is - this is just an example), that means we'd
say fossil fuel emissions containing 9 Gt of C per year could be "expressed as"
90 MtC of 13C per year. It seems more natural to me to say that 90 Mt per year
of 13C are contained in the emissions of CO2.

What you propose is consistent and logical, and I haven't managed to work out
why it sounds strange.

Best wishes

Jonathan

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 01:47:29PM +0000, Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC wrote:
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:47:29 +0000
> From: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juckes at stfc.ac.uk>
> To: Jonathan Gregory <j.m.gregory at reading.ac.uk>,
> "cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] PMIP (including 1 or more that originated in
> C4MIP) Standard Names: Carbon and Nitrogen terms
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> It is a logical extension, I believe, in the existing usage in terms such as "gross_primary_productivity_of_biomass_expressed_as_carbon", for which the help text states: "The phrase "expressed_as" is used in the construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical constituents of A", i.e. the new terms are meant to refer to the mass of 13C/14C which is contained in the biomass.
>
> regards,
> Martin
>
> ________________________________
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan Gregory <j.m.gregory at reading.ac.uk>
> Sent: 24 April 2018 13:35
> To: cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: [CF-metadata] PMIP (including 1 or more that originated in C4MIP) Standard Names: Carbon and Nitrogen terms
>
> Dear Martin
>
> Thanks for the new proposals.
>
> > gross_primary_productivity_of_biomass_expressed_as_13C
> > gross_primary_productivity_of_biomass_expressed_as_14C
>
> These don't seem quite right to me. They imply you can express the *entire* GPP
> as kg of 13C or 14C. Does it means the mass of 13C or 14C in the GPP?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
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