Hi Roy, all,
Thank you for your input. My comments are in line -- the one general question is how to deal with inconsistencies found vs existing definitions in the table.
As generally people haven't risen up in protest, I will prepare another request shortly. Any presentation suggestions are welcome.
On Sep 12, 2013, at 23:54, "Lowry, Roy K." <rkl at bodc.ac.uk> wrote:
> Biogenic silica isn't simply silicon dioxide - it's the hydrated amorphous form commonly known as opal. How about replacing 'silicon dioxide' by 'hydrated silicon dioxide (opal)'?
That's good by me. I wondered if silicate or silica was a better term, as well, but was influenced by another standard name I think.
> I find 'moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water' ambiguous. Do you mean dissolved, particulate or particulate+dissolved and organic, inorganic or total (organic+inorganic). I'm guessing you're aiming at dissolved NO3+NO2+NH4, in which case 'dissolved_total_inorganic_nitrogen' might suit.
This is a BATS measurement, reference
http://bats.bios.edu/bats_measurements.html, and
http://bats.bios.edu/methods/chapter20.pdf:. "Total nigrogen mass flux is defined as the amount of sinking particular organic nitrogen passing through a depth level." Later: "Particular flux is then calculated by multiple the %N by the mass flux." (BATS also presents Nitrate+Nitrite and Particulate Organic Nitrogen separately.)
My domain expertise (!) doesn't tell me whether that means the answer to your question is yes, no, or don't know.
> Possible replace 'Chlorophyll is the green pigment ' by 'Chlorophylls are the green pigments'. There's also at least six of them if the divinyl forms are taken into account - maybe replacing 'five' by 'several' is the way to go.
Merely went for consistency with existing definitions here. Happy to change if that's the consensus, but then the other ones should change too. (mass_concentration_of_chlorophyll_a_in_sea_water, mass_concentration_of_chlorophyll_in_sea_water).
> I'm not totally comfortable with the organic carbon definition - it doesn't really tell me anything. How about 'Organic carbon is the carbon remaining in a sample after carbonates and bicarbonates have been removed by acidification'
I agree with the criticism, but again there's a consistency issue. There are a number of definitions that are rather abstract tutorials on the various components of the standard name, but you can't tell from them what the parameter actually is. In this case, can we speak with authority about whether the organic carbon is always derived in a certain way or consists exactly of that matter? The other organic carbon definitions were much less authoritative.
John
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
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> Subject: [CF-metadata] request #1 for names: mole concentrations and mass fractions, similar to current names
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> Hi,
>
> This is the first in a series of standard name requests. I've tried to group the requests meaningfully, and I apologize in advance if I need a fair bit of CF wisdom going forward through this process.
>
> In this set of requests, there is a reasonable similarity to other existing names, and I've given an example or two for comparison under the "Analogs" section for each.
>
> -- Name: mole_concentration_of_particulate_matter_expressed_as_biogenic_silicon_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water
> -- Units: mol kg -1
> -- Definition: Concentration in sea water of silicon dioxide particles produced by living organisms, presented as moles per unit mass. Mole fraction is used in the construction mole_fraction_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y.
> -- Analogs: mole_concentration_of_particulate_matter_expressed_as_silicon_in_sea_water
> -- Notes: A more narrow form of the analog, and is per unit mass instead of volume
>
> -- Name: mole_concentration_of_particulate_matter_expressed_as_lithogenic_silicon_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water
> -- Units: mol kg -1
> -- Definition: Concentration in sea water of silicon dioxide particles produced from terrestrial rocks and soil, presented as moles per unit mass. The concept moles_of_X_per_unit_mass_in_Y is also called "molality" of X in Y, where X is a material constituent of Y.
> -- Analogs: mole_concentration_of_particulate_matter_expressed_as_silicon_in_sea_water
> -- Notes: A more narrow form of the analog, and is per unit mass instead of volume
>
> -- Name: moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water
> -- Units: mol kg-1
> -- Definition: Concentration of nitrogen in sea water, presented as number of moles per unit mass. The concept moles_of_X_per_unit_mass_in_Y is also called "molality" of X in Y, where X is a material constituent of Y.
> -- Analogs: moles_of_nitrate_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water
> -- Notes: Is this better as "mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water", to match a more prevalent pattern?
>
> -- Name: mole_concentration_of_dissolved_phosphorus_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water
> -- Units: mol kg-1
> -- Definition: Concentration of dissolved phosphorus in sea water, presented as number of moles per unit mass. The concept moles_of_X_per_unit_mass_in_Y is also called "molality" of X in Y, where X is a material constituent of Y.
> -- Analogs: mole_concentration_of_particulate_organic_carbon_in_sea_water
>
> -- Name: mass_fraction_of_chlorophyll_a_in_sea_water
> -- Units: 1
> -- Definition: Proportion of the chlorophyll a pigment in sea water. Mass fraction is used in the construction mass_fraction_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. It means the ratio of the mass of X to the mass of Y (including X). A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. Chlorophyll is the green pigment found in most plants, algae and cyanobacteria; it's presence is essential for photosynthesis to take place. There are five different forms of chlorophyll that occur naturally; all contain a chlorin ring which gives the green pigment and a side chain whose structure varies. Chlorophyll-a is the most commonly occurring form of natural chlorophyll.
> -- Analogs: mass_concentration_of_chlorophyll_a_in_sea_water
>
> -- Name: mass_fraction_of_particulate_organic_carbon_in_sea_water
> -- Units: 1
> -- Definition: Proportion of carbon particles from organic sources in sea water. Mass fraction is used in the construction mass_fraction_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. It means the ratio of the mass of X to the mass of Y (including X). A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. Organic carbon describes a family of chemical species and is the term used in standard names for all species belonging to the family that are represented within a given model. The list of individual species that are included in a quantity having a group chemical standard name can vary between models. Where possible, the data variable should be accompanied by a complete description of the species represented, for example, by using a comment attribute. Particulate organic carbon is in the form of particles too big to pass through a filter.
> -- Analogs: mole_concentration_of_particulate_organic_matter_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water, mass_fraction_of_primary_particulate_organic_matter_dry_aerosol_in_air
> -- Notes: Is this better as "mass_fraction_of_particulate_organic_matter_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water"? I don't understand the purpose of the indirection "particulate_organic_matter_expressed_as_X", as opposed to just "particulate_organic_X", but it appears to be a pattern.
>
> Thank you for your consideration of these requests.
>
> John
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