I second that thought.
On 12/14/2010 3:12 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Dom
>
> Actually, I think we really want:
>
> http://cfconventions.org/something
>
> (We own cfconventions.org, so we can point it where we want!)
>
> And I would like in 2011 to have settled on a permanent answer to that
> question!
>
> Cheers
> Bryan
>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> Interesting to see the new MMI ontology work.
>> I take from this discussion then that there is not currently a CF
>> 'blessed' method to reference a term?
>>
>> E.g. for air_temperature I can choose from any of these:
>>
>> http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter/air_temperature
>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/term/P071/16/CFSN0023
>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-name-ta
>> ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.html#air_temperature plus:
>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-name-ta
>> ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dom
>>
>> On 14/12/10 08:18, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Working to find a way of harmonising the two sources of web-served
>>> Standard Names is on by ?To-Do? list for next year (part of an
>>> issue list fed into the NETMAR project by John G.)
>>>
>>> Cheers, Roy.
>>>
>>> *From:* cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> [mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu] *On Behalf Of *John
>>> Graybeal *Sent:* 13 December 2010 22:28
>>> *To:* Benno Blumenthal
>>> *Cc:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] Web reference to a standard name?
>>>
>>> A minor clarification as to how MMI is doing things:
>>>
>>> Benno, all,
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2010, at 07:25, Benno Blumenthal wrote:
>>> We have tried to get standard URIs for CF concepts, but the
>>> effort bogged down.
>>>
>>> As for standard names, MMI established a set of URIs at
>>>
>>> http://marinemetadata.org/cf
>>>
>>> but has not been keeping up to date.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the mention. This is our older URL, sorry; we are now
>>> maintaining CF standard names in our ontology repository, using
>>> resolvable URLs. [1]
>>>
>>> There was a period when MMI was not keeping up to date with CF
>>> changes, but in the recent past we have been continuously updating
>>> the SKOS ontology for the parameter names at the site Carlos
>>> mentioned [1] (We will forward the misleading /cf URL above, or
>>> fix it to make clear in some other way the current status; thanks
>>> for calling that out.)
>>>
>>> As with Roy's handling, we provide URLs both for the current
>>> version at the reference URL, and for individual releases of the
>>> vocabulary.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> [1] http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have written a XSL transform at
>>>
>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl
>>>
>>> that can be applied to
>>>
>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-name-
>>> table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
>>>
>>> to generate an up-to-date version, e.g.
>>>
>>> xsltproc
>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl
>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-name
>>> -table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Roy has created opaque URIs for standard names
>>> at
>>>
>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P07/9 contains all the Standard
>>> Names that have ever been published, including names that have
>>> been aliased
>>>
>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/9 contains the Standard Names
>>> that are currently valid (i.e. those that have not been deprecated
>>> through aliasing)
>>>
>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/9 contains the Standard Names
>>> that have been deprecated through aliasing
>>>
>>> The mapping between deprecates and their replacement aliases my be
>>> obtained through the following API call
>>>
>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjectList
>>> =http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&object
>>> List=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference=false
>>> <http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjectLi
>>> st=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&obje
>>> ctList=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference=fals
>>> e>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> he changes them with each version, so it is both more definitive
>>> and harder to use. It is also pure SKOS, so one needs to add
>>> structure to actually connect it with a CF-described dataset. I
>>> plan to write out a map between the two, so that I can use his
>>> relationships between CF standard_names, but I do not have it yet.
>>>
>>> Additional information and ontologies describing the CF structure
>>> both as attributes and conceptually are available at
>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/, including the
>>> connections between the standard_name ontologies and the CF
>>> structure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Benno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Dominic Lowe
>>> <dominic.lowe at stfc.ac.uk
>>>
>>> <mailto:dominic.lowe at stfc.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>> > Hello all,
>>> >
>>> > What's the current CF recommended scheme for referencing a
>>> > standard
>>>
>>> name on
>>>
>>> > the web? (either by URL or URN).
>>> >
>>> > I know about the vocab server and the xml/html online versions
>>> > and could choose to use URLs to point to items in any of these
>>> > but is there a definitive pattern that should be used? (or at
>>> > least a best practice that should be encouraged?).
>>> >
>>> > Much appreciated,
>>> >
>>> > Dominic
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