Dear Jonathan,
Whilst that is one meaning of the word 'sediment', it is not the only one. The word is also used to describe the material collected by coring the seabed or filtering muddy waters which is then analysed for many chemical and biological substances. We have a lot of this kind of data and have learned the hard way how careful one has to be describing 'what was measured' for these measurements. Whilst none of these data have reached CF to date I feel sure they will come.
Whilst your model of the seafloor may hold for large areas of ocean floor, it doesn't hold for ocean ridges, some shelf sea areas or shelf breaks where the bed is bare rock. Note that this isn't my main reason for preferring 'seabed'. My main concern is assigning a meaning to 'sediment' that we may well come to regret in the future.
Cheers, Roy.
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Sent: 16 May 2018 18:10
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Subject: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in sediment?
Dear Daniel and Roy
moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment makes sense to me. I am not an
expert. From my reading of papers, I understand "sediment" to mean the solid
but particulate matter that forms the sea floor at the bottom of the water. The
sediment is up to thousands of metres thick and rests on the bedrock, which is
the oceanic crust. Is this what you mean by sediment?
Best wishes
Jonathan
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> Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 09:42:04 +0000
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <rkl at bodc.ac.uk>
> To: Daniel Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>, CF Metadata Mail List
> <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in
> sediment?
>
> Thanks Daniel,
>
> Couple of additional thoughts that struck me. Is there possibility of confusion between seafloor sediment and suspended sediment? What if the seabed was bare rock? So, might:
>
> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed
>
> be better?
>
> Let's see if we get any other thoughts on the list.
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> On Behalf Of Daniel Neumann
> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:28
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> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in sediment?
>
> Dear Roy,
>
> > I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere before dipping its toes in the ocean.
>
> :-)
>
> > I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective,
>
> Yes
>
> In our current model setup (ecosystem model of the water column) we have a fairly simple sediment and write out the nitrogen amount per m2.
>
> This name might be appropriate for this purpose:
> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment
>
> unit:
> mol/m2
>
> description:
> moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. Information on the location of the interface between water column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
>
> On 15.05.2018 18:30, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
>
>
> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere before dipping its toes in the ocean.
>
>
>
> Some thoughts based on my experience with observed sediment chemistry data. The data may be reported per unit mass of wet or dry sediment or per unit volume of wet sediment. Also it is worth making clear that 'sediment' means sediment of all grain sizes (say a phrase like 'total_sediment') as samples are frequently sieved prior to analysis.
>
>
>
> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, so I'm not totally clear about your needs, but would something like 'mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_in_wet_total_sediment' be what you would be looking for?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
>
> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>
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> Dear CF Mailing List,
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> I am looking for standard names to describe the mole concentration of
> nitrogen in the sediment. The CF standard name table does not contain
> any standard names regarding "mole_concentration" in "sediment". I was
> wondering whether another term than "sediment" was used for such names.
> I also tried "mud", "seabed", and "sea_bed". Or do no such standard
> names exist at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
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