-- Bruce Wright Strategic Advisor on Data Management Met Office FitzRoy Road Exeter EX1 3PB United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1392 886481 Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 E-mail: bruce.wright at metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk -----Original Message----- From: cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu [mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Heiko Klein Sent: 15 May 2012 09:10 To: Cameron-smith, Philip Cc: cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu; Jonathan Gregory Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard_name for cloud-cover by phenomenon Philip, I agree that referring to versioned std_name tables is generally a good idea. The WMO members have (and still have) problems with versioning, in particularly when I think about grib-tables. I still have a bad feeling about using a name like wmosynop_high_cloud_area_fraction or isccp_high_cloud_area_fraction in particularly since they give a over-specification of a generally well understood phenomenons. Both wmosynop and isccp are measurements/measurement networks, and CF generally does not have enough metadata to cover all measurement-details. E.g. for air-temperature, it is from a measurement point of view often important what type of instrument has been measuring it (automatic, human, scale,...). We don't have a 'human_quicksilver_air_temperature' in CF (or a wmosynop_air_temperature). For comparing 'air_temperature' between measurements and possibly different models, the generally understood 'air_temperature' is best. With high-clouds, this is a similar problem. high, medium and low clouds is generally well understood and well documented in literature (a simple search on the net gives more than enough hits). From a model point of view, I cannot estimate if a cloud is exactly the one type or the other. There are often estimations like: sigma < 0.4 -> high cloud 0.4 > sigma > 0.7 -> medium cloud sigma > 0.7 -> low cloud It will be difficult for the modeller to say: This is a cloud according to the wmosynop definition. Therefore, I think we need at first a general CF-name for high/medium/low cloud to be able to compare in between measurement networks and models. ISCCP, WMO synop and models have already the concept of these clouds, they are not a 100% match, but close enough. If then one of these networks needs a more exact definition of high/medium/low clouds, they should ask for a std_name of their own. Best regards, HeikoReceived on Tue May 15 2012 - 03:07:59 BST
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