Dear Trevor,
Could you please clarify: Are "potential temperature" and "conservative
temperature" identical, or is "conservative temperature" what everyone
else considers to be simply "temperature", or what?
thanks,
Karl
On 7/21/11 3:29 AM, Trevor.Mcdougall at csiro.au wrote:
> Dear Nan et al.,
>
> I want to weigh in to this discussion, as chair of SCOR/IAPSO Working Group 127.
>
> In June 2009 the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission, which is comprised of 146 nations, adopted TEOS-10 as the formal definition of seawater properties (and of ice and of humid air).
>
> Part of TEOS-10 is the adoption of Absolute Salinity as the salinity variable which replaces Practical Salinity as the salinity argument for the algorithms that calculate density etc.
>
> Because of the proliferation of different types of salinity, it is particularly important that the single word "Salinity" not be used henceforth. Rather, "Practical Salinity" should be used for Practical Salinity (not "Salinity"), and Absolute Salinity should be referred to as "Absolute Salinity" (not "Salinity"). The symbols S_P and S_A should be used, and the use of S should be discontinued immediately.
>
> This is outlined in the attached Announcement which will shortly appear in 21 oceanographic journals. This Announcement specifically requests editors and authors to use S_P and S_A, not S. The aim of this recommendation is to minimize the potential for confusion.
>
> We in WG127 have met with representatives of instrument manufacturers and they will be providing output from their software in the above manner. That is, they will discontinue the use of "Salinity" and of "S".
>
> I note that a team of four people have recently installed TEOS-10 into MOM4, and so we now have Absolute Salinity S_A and Preformed Salinity, S_star, in MOM4. So this naming convention is actually already an issue in the ocean modelling world.
>
> In the same vein, ocean models should not carry a variable called "temperature" but rather should carry either "potential temperature" or "Conservative Temperature" or both.
>
> It is clear that we are now on the cusp of a transition in oceanography, with the potential for confusion unless we are all very careful in correctly labeling our variables.
>
> I hope this discussion of the thinking of SCOR/IAPSO WG127 helps your community with the naming conventions for ocean and climate models,
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Trevor
>
>
> PS. As for some definitions, I would suggest something along the lines of
>
> sea_water_Practical_Salinity:
> Definition: Salinity measured on the Practical Salinity Scale of 1978 (PSS-78),
> which is based on measurements of the electrical conductivity of seawater.
>
>
> sea_water_Absolute_Salinity:
> Definition: The mass fraction of dissolved material in seawater as defined by the
> Thermodynamic Equation Of Seawater - 2010 (TEOS-10). Absolute Salinity incorporates the
> spatial variations in the composition of seawater. This type of absolute salinity
> is also called "Density Salinity".
>
> ____________________________________
> Note that I think the sea surface salinity estimated from satellite is output as Practical Salinity.
>
> Note also that there are about 4 different types of absolute salinity (the subject is rather complicated
> and involves carbon chemistry), and TEOS-10 has adopted the one that best estimates density, as
> incorporated into the above definition.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Nan Galbraith [ngalbraith at whoi.edu]
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2011 12:53 AM
> To: Durack, Paul (CMAR, Hobart)
> Cc: CF-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu; McDougall, Trevor (CMAR, Hobart)
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
>
> Hi Paul -
>
> I'm not sure if anyone else is ready to retire salinity as a
> standard name meaning 'salinity on the practical salinity
> scale'.
>
> Also I still think your proposed definitions are a little too closely
> tied to the teos-10 code and to the measurement/calculation
> methods. For example, where does remotely sensed surface salinity
> fit in? I'm really not sure, but I suspect it's reported on the PSS, but
> without a conductivity observable in the "raw" data.
>
> Which reminds me, do you want to add sea_surface_absolute_salinity
> to your list?
>
> Personally, I'd go with definitions closer to:
> sea_water_salinity: Salt content of seawater on the Practical Salinity
> Scale of 1978 (PSS-78), usually based on the electrical conductivity
> of seawater.
>
>
> sea_water_absolute_salinity
> Definition: The mass fraction of salts in seawater as defined by the
> Thermodynamic Equation Of Seawater - 2010 (TEOS-10), which
> includes corrections for spatial variations in the composition of
> seawater.
>
> Cheers -
> Nan
>
>
> On 7/6/11 9:45 PM, Paul.Durack at csiro.au wrote:
>> Fair point Nan..
>>
>> We should then do this..
>>
>> Convert the current "sea_water_salinity" (to be discontinued in its use) to be an alias of the new standard name "sea_water_practical_salinity".
>>
>> An updated definition for "sea_water_absolute_salinity" following your suggestion is included below, plus a new definition for "sea_water_practical_salinity".
>>
>> I would recommend each of the new standard names also has an additional copy created, with the prefix "change_over_time_in_*"
>>
>> ***
>> sea_water_conservative_temperature
>> Definition: Conservative Temperature is potential enthalpy divided by a fixed value of the specific heat of seawater, namely cp_0 = 3991.86795711963 J kg-1 K-1. Conservative temperature is designed to be as close as possible to potential temperature, but is two orders of magnitude more conservative in the ocean. Because of this, Conservative Temperature can be regarded as being proportional to the heat content of seawater per unit mass.
>> Canonical units: K
>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>
>> sea_water_absolute_salinity
>> Definition: Absolute Salinity, S_A, is the mass fraction of dissolved material in seawater. In fact TEOS-10 estimates Absolute Salinity as the salinity variable that, when used with the TEOS-10 expression for density, yields the correct density of a seawater sample even when the sample is not of Standard Composition. In practice Absolute Salinity is often calculated from Practical Salinity and a value of Absolute Salinity Anomaly which is found using computer software via a global look-up table.
>> Canonical units: g kg-1
>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>
>> sea_water_practical_salinity
>> Definition: Practical Salinity, S_P, is defined on the Practical Salinity Scale of 1978 (PSS-78) and is calculated from the electrical conductivity of seawater (as well as temperature and pressure).
>> Canonical units: 1e-3, parts per thousand. Officially S_P is unitless, but often authors use psu, as in S_P = 35 psu.
>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>
>> sea_water_preformed_salinity
>> Definition: Preformed Salinity is a salinity variable that is designed to be as conservative as possible, by removing the estimated biogeochemical influences on the seawater composition from other forms of salinity.
>> Canonical units: g kg-1
>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>
>> sea_water_potential_enthalpy
>> Definition: Potential enthalpy is the enthalpy of a seawater parcel after an adiabatic and isohaline change in pressure from its in situ pressure to the sea pressure p = 0 dbar.
>> Canonical units: J kg-1
>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>> ***
>>
>> So for clarity, the new proposed names are:
>>
>> sea_water_conservative_temperature
>> sea_water_absolute_salinity
>> sea_water_practical_salinity
>> sea_water_preformed_salinity
>> sea_water_potential_enthalpy
>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_conservative_temperature
>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_absolute_salinity
>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_practical_salinity
>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_preformed_salinity
>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_potential_enthalpy
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> P
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu [mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Nan Galbraith
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:40 AM
>> To: cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
>> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
>>
>> I agree that we probably need these names now. I'd like to
>> suggest, though, that the definition of absolute salinity should
>> start with the phrase 'mass fraction of salt in seawater', or
>> maybe 'concentration of salt in seawater'.
>>
>> And while we're at it, we should probably consider revising the
>> definition of sea_water_salinity; currently all we have is: "The unit
>> of salinity is PSU, which is dimensionless. The units attribute
>> should be given as 1e-3 or 0.001 i.e. parts per thousand if
>> salinity is in PSU."
>>
>> The units designation implies that we're using practical
>> salinity, but the definition should probably be more explicit.
>> We could add something like "Salinity ratio on the Practical Salinity
>> Scale."
>>
>> Cheers - Nan
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/11 3:35 AM, Paul.Durack at csiro.au wrote:
>>> I'd like to propose a series of new standard names, these names are associated with the recent release of the Thermodynamic Equation Of Seawater 2010 (TEOS-10 - www.teos-10.org).
>>>
>>> Additional to these names, I would also like to propose the "change_over_time_in_*" prefixes are also created.
>>>
>>> The proposed new standard names, along with definition, units and reference details are below.
>>>
>>> ***
>>> sea_water_conservative_temperature
>>> Definition: Conservative Temperature is potential enthalpy divided by a fixed value of the specific heat of seawater, namely cp_0 = 3991.86795711963 J kg-1 K-1. Conservative temperature is designed to be as close as possible to potential temperature, but is two orders of magnitude more conservative in the ocean. Because of this, Conservative Temperature can be regarded as being proportional to the heat content of seawater per unit mass.
>>> Canonical units: K
>>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>>
>>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_conservative_temperature
>>>
>>> sea_water_absolute_salinity
>>> Definition: Absolute Salinity is the salinity variable that when used with the TEOS-10 expression for density yields the correct density of a seawater sample even when the sample is not of Standard Composition. In practice Absolute Salinity is often calculated from Practical Salinity and a value of Absolute Salinity Anomaly which is found using computer software via a global look-up table.
>>> Canonical units: g kg-1
>>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>>
>>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_absolute_salinity
>>>
>>> sea_water_preformed_salinity
>>> Definition: Preformed Salinity is a salinity variable that is designed to be as conservative as possible, by removing the estimated biogeochemical influences on the seawater composition from other forms of salinity.
>>> Canonical units: g kg-1
>>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>>
>>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_preformed_salinity
>>>
>>> sea_water_potential_enthalpy
>>> Definition: Potential enthalpy is the enthalpy of a seawater parcel after an adiabatic and isohaline change in pressure from its in situ pressure to the sea pressure p = 0 dbar.
>>> Canonical units: J kg-1
>>> Reference: www.teos-10.org
>>>
>>> change_over_time_in_sea_water_potential_enthalpy
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> P
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