Dear Mike and Klaus
Thanks for your emails. I understand your points, but it seems to me that what
we have proposed will not make life significantly more difficult. Specifically,
(1) We propose to have one discuss repository taking over all the functions
of the current email list, which is for everything except proposals to amend
the convention. Those are made in a different repository, which is taking over
from trac. So this is no change of organisation, just of platform. Up to now
we have not needed to split general queries from standard name proposals. We
could do that if there is a need, but since there hasn't been a need up to now
it is simplest to migrate to a new platform with no change of organisation.
Anyone with a query can start a GitHub issue to ask their question, and we will
make it clear that this is an expected use.
(2) We presently have two email lists, which is complicated, and neither of
them is a satisfactory arrangement for the future. The one I'm writing on now
(the UCAR email list) is taking significant effort to maintain (from Brian
Eaton - our thanks to him), so we need to move it, at least. The other one
(at LLNL) is OK for distributing GitHub postings but its archives cannot be
made public, so it would not be appropriate as a replacement for the UCAR
email list. Thus, if we want to retain an email list, we will need to start a
new one. It seems simpler not to do that, but to move to GitHub instead, since
the functionality is available.
This may not be your first choice, but is it satisfactory?
Is there anyone who is interested in CF but would not be willing or able to
use GitHub in future to raise questions that at present they would ask on this
email list?
Best wishes
Jonathan
----- Forwarded message from Klaus Zimmermann <klaus.zimmermann at smhi.se> -----
> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:31:50 +0200
> From: Klaus Zimmermann <klaus.zimmermann at smhi.se>
> To: cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] proposed migration of these discussions to GitHub
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> Dear Jonathan,
>
> for what it's worth, I am with Chris on this one.
>
> Imho a mailing list is the right format to shoot a question when you
> don't yet know exactly the approach (is it a feature request? a bug?
> just a clarification?) and who exactly you should ask. This way you
> reach all interested parties by the standard means of communication.
>
> An issue on github is great to preserve history and progress of, well,
> issues, such as bug reports and feature requests, typically with a
> rather small subset of interested people.
----- Forwarded message from Mike Grant <Michael.Grant at eumetsat.int> -----
> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 11:43:35 +0000
> From: Mike Grant <Michael.Grant at eumetsat.int>
> To: "cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] proposed migration of these discussions to GitHub
>
> [I'm personally happy with Github, but count as an interested person / long time lurker!]
>
> A lot of open source projects resolve this problem by splitting the conversation into two mailing lists. One is typically "-devel" for developers (in this case, anyone working on the standard or proposing changes) and one "-users" for people seeking help or wanting to report an issue, but not wanting to get involved in the details. Typically some/many of the dev people sit on both lists and redirect misplaced conversations to the correct list.
>
> Perhaps a possible compromise here would be to move all the -devel conversation onto Github in an organised fashion as proposed and create a -users mailing list explicitly just for queries?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Barker - NOAA Federal <chris.barker at noaa.gov>
> >> This list is also used to ask questions about how to best use the CF
> >> conventions, not just changes to CF.
> >> And a list IS a good way to facilitate those conversations.
> >>
> >> I also think it might bd good to have a list that recurved
> >> notifications of new discussion ? though not every post!
> >>
> >> Still a listserve fan,
> >>
> >> -Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>>> which is an administrative
> >>>> complexity, especially as we currently have two different lists
> >>>> (for trac and email), which have to be kept consistent manually.
> >>>> Anyone can join GitHub for themselves and watch the CF repositories.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes and thanks for your interest in CF
> >>>>
> >>>> Jonathan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To get a username on GitHub, go to https://github.com/ and sign up.
> >>>> This is free! Once you have a username, you can sign in.
> >>>>
> >>>> The issues on the CF conventions repository are at
> >>>> https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-conventions/issues
> >>>> This shows the list of changes to 1.7 which are being discussed.
>
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