Dear Daniel and Roy
I sent an email yesterday which for some reason disappeared into the void.
Please could I request sea_floor_sediment instead of seabed_sediment? That's
because we already use sea_floor in several standard names, but not sedbed.
Best wishes
Jonathan
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> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:31:04 +0200
> From: Daniel Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> To: "cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in
> sediment?
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> Hi Roy,
>
>
> OK, that's fine. Thanks.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On 18.05.2018 13:25, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >
> >Hi Daniel,
> >
> >
> >Most of the solids in sediment are silicate minerals, quite often
> >quartz (silicon dioxide), which would be included in
> >'moles_of_silicon'? So, I suggest:
> >
> >
> >moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_plus_biogenic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >
> >unit: mol/m2
> >
> >description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of
> >X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor
> >including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of
> >the interface between water column and sediment can be provided
> >via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the
> >sum of all inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid
> >and its first dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silicon' is
> >any silicon?compound, usually the mineral?opal, produced by
> >organisms (e.g. diatom skeletal remains)?in solid or colloidal
> >form.
> >
> >Cheers, Roy.
> >
> >
> >I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through
> >an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf
> >of Daniel Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >*Sent:* 18 May 2018 10:45
> >*To:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> >*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> >concentrations in sediment?
> >Hi,
> >
> >Thanks for correction. I realized that I need a standard name not
> >only for silicate but for biogenic silica plus silicate. I updated
> >the proposed name and description as follows:
> >
> >moles_of_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >
> >unit: mol/m2
> >
> >description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of
> >X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor
> >including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of
> >the interface between water column and sediment can be provided
> >via the comment attribute. 'Silicon' summarizes 'dissolved
> >inorganic silicon' and 'biogenic silica'. 'Dissolved inorganic
> >silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution
> >(including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion
> >SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silica' are biogenic silicon minerals which
> >originate from the siliceous skeletal material of dead diatoms and
> >other silica-utilizing organisms.
> >
> >
> >Daniel
> >
> >
> >On 18.05.2018 09:47, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi (yet) again,
> >>
> >>
> >>Overnight I remembered a debate on CF about not using'dissolved
> >>inorganic silicon' rather than 'silicate' in new Standard Names.
> >>I also think it's worth some clarification in the definition to
> >>explain how things can be dissolved in something that many would
> >>think of as a solid.
> >>
> >>
> >>So that will give us:
> >>
> >>
> >>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >>
> >>
> >>unit: mol/m2
> >>
> >>
> >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount
> >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >>'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea
> >>floor including interstitial pore water. Information on the
> >>location of the interface between water column and sediment can
> >>be provided via the comment attribute.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >>
> >>
> >>unit: mol/m2
> >>
> >>
> >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount
> >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >>'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea
> >>floor including interstitial?pore water. Information on the
> >>location of the interface between water column and sediment can
> >>be provided via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic
> >>silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution
> >>(including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion
> >>SiO(OH)3-).
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers, Roy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active
> >>through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >><mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel
> >>Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >><mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >>*Sent:* 17 May 2018 19:58
> >>*To:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu <mailto:cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> >>concentrations in sediment?
> >>
> >>Great :-) . Then I would like to propose the following two new
> >>standard names:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >>
> >>
> >>unit: mol/m2
> >>
> >>
> >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount
> >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor.
> >>Information on the location of the interface between water
> >>column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>moles_of_silicate_expressed_as_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >>
> >>
> >>unit: mol/m2
> >>
> >>
> >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount
> >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor.
> >>Information on the location of the interface between water
> >>column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 17.05.2018 16:00, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Hi Daniel,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That works for me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Cheers, Roy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active
> >>>through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>><mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel
> >>>Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >>><mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >>>*Sent:* 17 May 2018 10:41
> >>>*To:* CF Metadata Mail List
> >>>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> >>>concentrations in sediment?
> >>>Dear Roy, Dear Jonathan,
> >>>
> >>>Thank you for the feedback. I see? that sediment might be
> >>>ambiguous. Would "seabed sediment" or "marine seabed sediment"
> >>>be an acceptable alternative?
> >>>
> >>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
> >>>
> >>>This would clarify that the sea floor is meant as location of
> >>>the sediment. It would also clarify that not bare rock is
> >>>meant.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Daniel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 16.05.2018 11:42, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks Daniel,
> >>>>
> >>>>Couple of additional thoughts that struck me. Is there
> >>>>possibility of confusion between seafloor sediment and
> >>>>suspended sediment? What if the seabed was bare rock?? So,
> >>>>might:
> >>>>
> >>>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed
> >>>>
> >>>>be better?
> >>>>
> >>>>Let?s see if we get any other thoughts on the list.
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers, Roy.
> >>>>
> >>>>*From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>>><mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> *On Behalf Of
> >>>>*Daniel Neumann
> >>>>*Sent:* 16 May 2018 09:28
> >>>>*To:* CF Metadata Mail List <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>>><mailto:cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>>>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> >>>>concentrations in sediment?
> >>>>
> >>>>Dear Roy,
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not
> >>>>really surprising for a standard that started in the
> >>>>atmosphere before dipping its toes in the ocean.
> >>>>
> >>>>:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective,
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes
> >>>>
> >>>>In our current model setup (ecosystem model of the water
> >>>>column) we have a fairly simple sediment and write out the
> >>>>nitrogen amount per m2.
> >>>>
> >>>>This name might be appropriate for this purpose:
> >>>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment
> >>>>
> >>>>unit:
> >>>>mol/m2
> >>>>
> >>>>description:
> >>>>moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X in a
> >>>>column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
> >>>>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor.
> >>>>Information on the location of the interface between water
> >>>>column and sediment can be provided via the comment
> >>>>attribute.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 15.05.2018 18:30, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Daniel,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not
> >>>> really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere
> >>>> before dipping its toes in the ocean.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some thoughts based on my experience?with observed sediment
> >>>> chemistry data. The data may be reported? per unit mass of wet
> >>>> or dry sediment or?per unit volume of wet sediment. Also it is
> >>>> worth making clear that 'sediment' means sediment of all grain
> >>>> sizes (say a phrase like 'total_sediment')?as samples are
> >>>> frequently sieved prior to analysis.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, so I'm
> >>>> not totally clear about your needs, but would something like
> >>>> 'mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_in_wet_total_sediment' be what
> >>>> you would be looking for?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, Roy.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active
> >>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
> >>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel
> >>>> Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >>>> <mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> >>>> *Sent:* 15 May 2018 16:51
> >>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List
> >>>> *Subject:* [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> >>>> concentrations in sediment?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear CF Mailing List,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am looking for standard names to describe the mole
> >>>> concentration of
> >>>> nitrogen in the sediment. The CF standard name table does not
> >>>> contain
> >>>> any standard names regarding "mole_concentration" in
> >>>> "sediment". I was
> >>>> wondering whether another term than "sediment" was used for
> >>>> such names.
> >>>> I also tried "mud", "seabed", and "sea_bed". Or do no such
> >>>> standard
> >>>> names exist at all?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Daniel
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