Hi Roy,
OK, that's fine. Thanks.
Cheers,
Daniel
On 18.05.2018 13:25, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
> Most of the solids in sediment are silicate minerals, quite often
> quartz (silicon dioxide), which would be included in
> 'moles_of_silicon'? So, I suggest:
>
>
> moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_plus_biogenic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>
> unit: mol/m2
>
> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Seabed
> sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor including
> interstitial pore water. Information on the location of the interface
> between water column and sediment can be provided via the comment
> attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the sum of all
> inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid and its first
> dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silicon' is any
> silicon?compound, usually the mineral?opal, produced by organisms
> (e.g. diatom skeletal remains)?in solid or colloidal form.
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an
> Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>
>
>
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> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of
> Daniel Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
> *Sent:* 18 May 2018 10:45
> *To:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
> concentrations in sediment?
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for correction. I realized that I need a standard name not only
> for silicate but for biogenic silica plus silicate. I updated the
> proposed name and description as follows:
>
> moles_of_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>
> unit: mol/m2
>
> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Seabed
> sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor including
> interstitial pore water. Information on the location of the interface
> between water column and sediment can be provided via the comment
> attribute. 'Silicon' summarizes 'dissolved inorganic silicon' and
> 'biogenic silica'. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the sum of all
> inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid and its first
> dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silica' are biogenic silicon
> minerals which originate from the siliceous skeletal material of dead
> diatoms and other silica-utilizing organisms.
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 18.05.2018 09:47, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>
>> Hi (yet) again,
>>
>>
>> Overnight I remembered a debate on CF about not using'dissolved
>> inorganic silicon' rather than 'silicate' in new Standard Names. I
>> also think it's worth some clarification in the definition to explain
>> how things can be dissolved in something that many would think of as
>> a solid.
>>
>>
>> So that will give us:
>>
>>
>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>>
>>
>> unit: mol/m2
>>
>>
>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
>> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Seabed
>> sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor including
>> interstitial pore water. Information on the location of the interface
>> between water column and sediment can be provided via the comment
>> attribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>>
>>
>> unit: mol/m2
>>
>>
>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
>> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Seabed
>> sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor including
>> interstitial?pore water. Information on the location of the interface
>> between water column and sediment can be provided via the comment
>> attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the sum of all
>> inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid and its first
>> dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-).
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Roy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an
>> Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
>> <mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel Neumann
>> <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>> <mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>> *Sent:* 17 May 2018 19:58
>> *To:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu <mailto:cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
>> concentrations in sediment?
>>
>> Great :-) . Then I would like to propose the following two new
>> standard names:
>>
>>
>>
>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>>
>>
>> unit: mol/m2
>>
>>
>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
>> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
>> 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor.
>> Information on the location of the interface between water column and
>> sediment can be provided via the comment attribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>
>> moles_of_silicate_expressed_as_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>>
>>
>> unit: mol/m2
>>
>>
>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X
>> in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y.
>> 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor.
>> Information on the location of the interface between water column and
>> sediment can be provided via the comment attribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17.05.2018 16:00, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>>
>>> That works for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Roy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through
>>> an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel
>>> Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>>> <mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>>> *Sent:* 17 May 2018 10:41
>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
>>> concentrations in sediment?
>>> Dear Roy, Dear Jonathan,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the feedback. I see? that sediment might be ambiguous.
>>> Would "seabed sediment" or "marine seabed sediment" be an acceptable
>>> alternative?
>>>
>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment
>>>
>>> This would clarify that the sea floor is meant as location of the
>>> sediment. It would also clarify that not bare rock is meant.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.05.2018 11:42, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> Couple of additional thoughts that struck me. Is there possibility
>>>> of confusion between seafloor sediment and suspended sediment? What
>>>> if the seabed was bare rock?? So, might:
>>>>
>>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed
>>>>
>>>> be better?
>>>>
>>>> Let?s see if we get any other thoughts on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Roy.
>>>>
>>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Neumann
>>>> *Sent:* 16 May 2018 09:28
>>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List <cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
>>>> concentrations in sediment?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Roy,
>>>>
>>>> > I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not really
>>>> surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere before
>>>> dipping its toes in the ocean.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> > I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective,
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> In our current model setup (ecosystem model of the water column) we
>>>> have a fairly simple sediment and write out the nitrogen amount per m2.
>>>>
>>>> This name might be appropriate for this purpose:
>>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment
>>>>
>>>> unit:
>>>> mol/m2
>>>>
>>>> description:
>>>> moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X in a column
>>>> with unity base area of material/compartment Y. 'Sediment' means
>>>> particulate matter bound at the sea floor. Information on the
>>>> location of the interface between water column and sediment can be
>>>> provided via the comment attribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15.05.2018 18:30, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not
>>>> really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere
>>>> before dipping its toes in the ocean.
>>>>
>>>> Some thoughts based on my experience?with observed sediment
>>>> chemistry data. The data may be reported? per unit mass of wet
>>>> or dry sediment or?per unit volume of wet sediment. Also it is
>>>> worth making clear that 'sediment' means sediment of all grain
>>>> sizes (say a phrase like 'total_sediment')?as samples are
>>>> frequently sieved prior to analysis.
>>>>
>>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, so I'm
>>>> not totally clear about your needs, but would something like
>>>> 'mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_in_wet_total_sediment' be what
>>>> you would be looking for?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Roy.
>>>>
>>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active
>>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>>>>
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>>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu>
>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel
>>>> Neumann <daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>>>> <mailto:daniel.neumann at io-warnemuende.de>
>>>> *Sent:* 15 May 2018 16:51
>>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List
>>>> *Subject:* [CF-metadata] No standard names for element
>>>> concentrations in sediment?
>>>>
>>>> Dear CF Mailing List,
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for standard names to describe the mole
>>>> concentration of
>>>> nitrogen in the sediment. The CF standard name table does not
>>>> contain
>>>> any standard names regarding "mole_concentration" in
>>>> "sediment". I was
>>>> wondering whether another term than "sediment" was used for
>>>> such names.
>>>> I also tried "mud", "seabed", and "sea_bed". Or do no such
>>>> standard
>>>> names exist at all?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Daniel
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