Hello Roy,
I suspected that there might be such a usage ... but don't you agree that the current CF definition, which I've quoted below, is inconsistent with this? But it could be adapted with a small change of wording,
regards,
Martin
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From: Lowry, Roy K. [rkl at bodc.ac.uk]
Sent: 26 January 2018 15:51
To: Juckes, Martin (STFC,RAL,RALSP); cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: Definiton of solar_irradiance
Hello Martin,
>From an oceanographic perspective I had always thought of solar (and other waveband) irradiance as the energy incident on the sea surface, which is a horizontal surface. So, I would like to think of solar_irradiance as being horizontal_solar_irradiance and if any new Standard Name is required to cover the current Vaisala instrumentation use case then that should be normal_standard_irradiance.
Cheers, Roy.
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From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of martin.juckes at stfc.ac.uk <martin.juckes at stfc.ac.uk>
Sent: 26 January 2018 13:37
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Subject: [CF-metadata] Definiton of solar_irradiance
Hello,
the cf standard name has a definition:
The quantity with standard name solar_irradiance, often called Total Solar Irradiance (TSI), is the radiation from the sun integrated over the whole electromagnetic spectrum and over the entire solar disk. The quantity applies outside the atmosphere, by default at a distance of one astronomical unit from the sun, but a coordinate or scalar coordinate variable of distance_from_sun can be used to specify a value other than the default. "Irradiance" means the power per unit area (called radiative flux in other standard names), the area being normal to the direction of flow of the radiant energy.
My question is about the last phrase, which I have highlighted. The flow of radiant energy from the sun at the top of the atmosphere is directed away from the sun .. so this definition would imply that the irradiance is defined relative to a fixed plane in the solar coordinate system. This is OK for solar physicists, but atmospheric scientists are sometime interested in irradiance relative to a horizontal surface.
Vaisalla distinguish between the two by defining "horizontal solar irradiance" to be the irradiance on a horizontal surface and "normal solar irradiance" to be irradiance on a surface perpendicular to a line to the sun (<UrlBlockedError.aspx>
http://www.3tier.com/en/support/solar-online-tools/what-solar-values-are-shown-map/ ).
Should "solar_irradiance" apply to both usages, or do we need a new standard name, e.g. "horizonatl_solar_irradiance"?
regards,
Martin
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