Thanks all for clearing up my confusion on this issue, and for
contributing their own preferences.
Seth, I agree that midpoint labels on a climatological time
coordinate are more human-friendly than endpoint labels.
For largely the same reasons as you. Including that if someone uses
the midpoint labels on a plot, it seems more intuitive that the
data refer to the whole climatology than if endpoints are used.
However, others may think endpoints are just as friendly, or
that the perceived lacked of ambiguity (no even/odd year
questions) in endpoints outweighs the user-friendliness of midpoints.
Both endpoints and midpoints are defensible choices and
CF allows either. The CF guidance is that the choice
be "representative" of the climatology. Given that both
practices are already embedded in different datasets, I
am averse to CF becoming more restrictive and requiring
one or the other. I would support a consensus statement
that midpoint-ish values are "recommended not required"
yet I think gathering that consensus is unlikely.
Best,
c
> Hi all,
>
> I would argue that time coordinates should always go somewhere in the
> middle of the interval, not at either end.
>
> Certainly, putting the time coordinate at one end of the interval is the
> easy and unambiguous choice when generating data files. But in my
> experience, it tends to cause confusion and problems when *using* the
> files, particularly with software that automatically generates labels
> and when aggregating the data to longer timescales.
>
> The basic problem is that a time coordinate at the end of the interval
> can be ambiguous to the end user as to whether it's at the beginning or
> the end, and if you're not the person who created the data, it can take
> a fair amount of digging to figure out which it is. Worse, it's easy
> for the user to make an incorrect assumption and not realize it.
>
> Putting the time coordinate in the middle of the interval makes this
> kind of confusion much less likely, because it's more in line with human
> intuition about what interval the coordinate belongs to.
>
> Using the midpoint can require more logic on the data creator's part to
> get right (e.g., what do you do when the interval is an even number of
> cycles long), but I think it's a much better approach in terms of usability.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Seth
> On 4/30/2015 2:13 AM, David Charles Hassell wrote:
>> Hello Chris, Charlie, Karl, ....
>>
>> Personally, I prefer to use the first (or last) year, as this is
>> unambiguous. Ambiguities about how to define the mid-year could arise
>> depending on whether number of years in the climatology is odd or
>> even. The mid-year could, of course, be carefully defined, but the
>> definition would be arbitrary, I think.
>>
>> (I used "year" here, but the same argument applies to "day")
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> David
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