Hi Folks
I have to declare a preference to pointing to the BODC copy as the
primary copy since we've built our CF vocab management tooling to ingest
new vocab members directly into their vocabuarly managment system - and
if we have any problems, debugging them can be done on the same
timezone.
Cheers
Bryan
> Ditto! Implementing what is suggested would be around 20 lines of
> code. We've done the same for SeaDataNet to get their vocabs within
> their namespace such as
> http://www.seadatanet.org/urnurl/SDN:P021::TEMP
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu
> [cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of John Graybeal
> [jbgraybeal at mindspring.com] Sent: 14 December 2010 17:56
> To: Steve Hankin
> Cc: cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Web reference to a standard name?
>
> In theory, MMI can support that approach (redirecting
> cfconventions.org, ideally transparently). (That is, I worked it
> out in my head once. Haven't actually tried it in practice. I
> *think* it's "just a simple matter of programming". ;->) I think
> that's the best combination to support both appropriate branding and
> the kind of support a "full time dedicated" repository can give.
> Roy's server perhaps the same. (But not both at once!)
>
> Just to be crystal clear, the places where you have '16' could also
> have 'current' (if I understand correctly what Roy was saying about
> their server), and the mmisw one could also be served with a
> particular version ID (analogous to the NERC example).
>
> If there is someone on the CF (or other) team that wants to play with
> us on the 'simple matter of programming' part, that would be a
> collaboration we'd be happy to encourage.
>
> John
>
> On Dec 14, 2010, at 08:16, Steve Hankin wrote:
> > I second that thought.
> >
> > On 12/14/2010 3:12 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote:
> >> Hi Dom
> >>
> >> Actually, I think we really want:
> >>
> >> http://cfconventions.org/something
> >>
> >> (We own cfconventions.org, so we can point it where we want!)
> >>
> >> And I would like in 2011 to have settled on a permanent answer to
> >> that question!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Bryan
> >>
> >>> Thanks all,
> >>>
> >>> Interesting to see the new MMI ontology work.
> >>> I take from this discussion then that there is not currently a CF
> >>> 'blessed' method to reference a term?
> >>>
> >>> E.g. for air_temperature I can choose from any of these:
> >>>
> >>> http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter/air_temperature
> >>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/term/P071/16/CFSN0023
> >>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-nam
> >>> e-ta ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.html#air_temperature plus:
> >>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na
> >>> me-ta ble/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Dom
> >>>
> >>> On 14/12/10 08:18, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Working to find a way of harmonising the two sources of
> >>>> web-served Standard Names is on by ?To-Do? list for next year
> >>>> (part of an issue list fed into the NETMAR project by John G.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, Roy.
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu
> >>>> [mailto:cf-metadata-bounces at cgd.ucar.edu] *On Behalf Of *John
> >>>> Graybeal *Sent:* 13 December 2010 22:28
> >>>> *To:* Benno Blumenthal
> >>>> *Cc:* cf-metadata at cgd.ucar.edu
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] Web reference to a standard name?
> >>>>
> >>>> A minor clarification as to how MMI is doing things:
> >>>>
> >>>> Benno, all,
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 13, 2010, at 07:25, Benno Blumenthal wrote:
> >>>> We have tried to get standard URIs for CF concepts, but the
> >>>> effort bogged down.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for standard names, MMI established a set of URIs at
> >>>>
> >>>> http://marinemetadata.org/cf
> >>>>
> >>>> but has not been keeping up to date.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the mention. This is our older URL, sorry; we are now
> >>>> maintaining CF standard names in our ontology repository, using
> >>>> resolvable URLs. [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> There was a period when MMI was not keeping up to date with CF
> >>>> changes, but in the recent past we have been continuously
> >>>> updating the SKOS ontology for the parameter names at the site
> >>>> Carlos mentioned [1] (We will forward the misleading /cf URL
> >>>> above, or fix it to make clear in some other way the current
> >>>> status; thanks for calling that out.)
> >>>>
> >>>> As with Roy's handling, we provide URLs both for the current
> >>>> version at the reference URL, and for individual releases of the
> >>>> vocabulary.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://mmisw.org/ont/cf/parameter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have written a XSL transform at
> >>>>
> >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl
> >>>>
> >>>> that can be applied to
> >>>>
> >>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na
> >>>> me- table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
> >>>>
> >>>> to generate an up-to-date version, e.g.
> >>>>
> >>>> xsltproc
> >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/xslt/.cfsn2rdf.xsl
> >>>> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-na
> >>>> me -table/16/cf-standard-name-table.xml
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, Roy has created opaque URIs for standard
> >>>> names at
> >>>>
> >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P07/9 contains all the Standard
> >>>> Names that have ever been published, including names that have
> >>>> been aliased
> >>>>
> >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/9 contains the Standard
> >>>> Names that are currently valid (i.e. those that have not been
> >>>> deprecated through aliasing)
> >>>>
> >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/9 contains the Standard
> >>>> Names that have been deprecated through aliasing
> >>>>
> >>>> The mapping between deprecates and their replacement aliases my
> >>>> be obtained through the following API call
> >>>>
> >>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjectL
> >>>> ist
> >>>> =http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&ob
> >>>> ject
> >>>> List=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference=fa
> >>>> lse
> >>>> <http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/axis2/services/vocab/getMap?subjec
> >>>> tLi
> >>>> st=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P072/current&predicate=255&
> >>>> obje
> >>>> ctList=http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current&inference=
> >>>> fals e>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> he changes them with each version, so it is both more definitive
> >>>> and harder to use. It is also pure SKOS, so one needs to add
> >>>> structure to actually connect it with a CF-described dataset. I
> >>>> plan to write out a map between the two, so that I can use his
> >>>> relationships between CF standard_names, but I do not have it
> >>>> yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Additional information and ontologies describing the CF
> >>>> structure both as attributes and conceptually are available at
> >>>> http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/ontologies/, including the
> >>>> connections between the standard_name ontologies and the CF
> >>>> structure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Benno
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Dominic Lowe
> >>>> <dominic.lowe at stfc.ac.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> <mailto:dominic.lowe at stfc.ac.uk>> wrote:
> >>>> > Hello all,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What's the current CF recommended scheme for referencing a
> >>>> > standard
> >>>>
> >>>> name on
> >>>>
> >>>> > the web? (either by URL or URN).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I know about the vocab server and the xml/html online
> >>>> > versions and could choose to use URLs to point to items in
> >>>> > any of these but is there a definitive pattern that should
> >>>> > be used? (or at least a best practice that should be
> >>>> > encouraged?).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Much appreciated,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dominic
> >>>> > --
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